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4 Dec 2009

Canon 7D vs the 5d2 – What to do?

I thought I was pretty sure I was going to get the 7D as my next camera body.  Right now I shoot with an older Canon 20D and 40D, both of which I love, but they are starting to show their age.  I was originally decided on the 5D2, but when the 7D came out I was amazed my much of the response it was getting on the forums.  Here are the benefits of the 7D I’ve learned about from all of my hours of research:

- the AF is superior to the 5d2, more focus points, better servo mode than the 5d mkii

- it has pop-up flash (comes in handy once in a great while for fill or to trigger strobes) will mount EF-S lenses (I only own one, the rest in my kit are EF mount because I have been planning on going full frame for a while now).

- it has wireless flash controls built in, if you own other Canon speedlights (I don’t have any yet – only Alien Bees B800′s)

- dual digic 4 processors (5d2 only has one)

- shoots video same as the 5d2

- very low noise up to iso 800, where the 5d2 then takes over

- a few more bells and whistles that the 5d2 doesn’t have like on-screen leveling

 Canon 7D DSLR Body on sale at Buy.comicon

All of that is fine and dandy, but when it comes down to pixel peeping, I’ve been seeing a lot of softness from the 7D in the samples online.  Not just studio stuff – real world conditions.

This review scares me a little. http://darwinwiggett.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-canon-7d/
I think we have to wait until Adobe updates ACR and Lightroom more the handle the Raw conversion a bit better, in order to come to the proper conclusions. Right now the 7D is looking softer than everything, at 100% native resolution. Sure, you can sharpen, but if there’s a little ISO 200 or 400 noise that low noise camera suddenly turns into worse noise than ISO 1600.

The 7D also out-resolves the glass you mount to it, much more than a 5d2.  That means softer images, seeing that the glass can’t provide enough.  There is a great explanation of what that means in this thread http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73591 by my friend David Rehner.

In the end, either camera bodies are a world of a difference over my old 20D or 40D.  I’m going to wait and see more reviews at least until Spring of 2010 before I start whipping out my credit card. I’m waiting until I am absolutely 100% sure about this.  I think I just might have to rent one of each for a week to do my own tests.  I’m in the same boat as many other photographers, with the 20D, 30D, or 40D.  No doubt the 7D is better in more than one way, but if I can make my daily photo editing a few steps easier by spending the extra grand on the 5d2 I think it might be worth it.  Downsizing is fine, unless you want to utilize the maximum resolution that you possibly can, in order to make the most money from your images.  If I’m going to drop even $1700 on a camera, it had better produce good enough sharpness and clarity at 100% at the fullest resolution.  If not, I might as well spend the extra cash on the full frame.

Canon 5d mark2 5d mkii on sale at buy.com
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  • http://www.cyrilhou.com Cyril

    If it’s not Nikon – it’s wrong!

  • http://free-3d-textures.com Gracey

    What to do?

    Get a Nikon…of course :)

  • http://arenacreative.com/ arenacreative

    Yeah yeah… :D No thanks, just for the hassle that I’d have to ebay all of my glass and start a new collection. Nothing against Nikon, I’ve shot a lot with the older D40x back at my last dayjob.

  • Megatron

    Boy, that David Rehner reads like a smart individual. ;-)

  • http://nicolesyblog.com Nicole Young

    I’m a huge fan of my 7D. I’ve had a lot of approvals uploading to iStock and haven’t had to do any down-sizing because of quality (none of my 7D images have been rejected due to noise or poor quality … I shoot all of my stuff at ISO 100 for stock, btw). I do agree that ACR and Lightroom could do a better job with the conversions, but it’s still superb quality IMO.

    • http://arenacreative.com/ arenacreative

      That’s good to hear – Thanks Nicole. I think in time we’ll see that the updates for ACR and Lightroom might improve, after all of the testing and feedback is compiled. For now maybe the in camera sharpening settings have to be tweaked in order to get better results. I’m not positive if it matters, if you’re shooting RAW, but it might read the defaults from those settings. If I can find enough evidence to justify the $1000 savings over going full frame, I would definitely love to do so. Heck, that’s another piece of nice L glass just in the savings over the 5d mark ii.

  • http://www.yorkshireartphotography.co.uk ian

    I own a 30D (same sensor as 20D) and a 5DII.
    They are both great bodies but from different generations.
    They both have the same pixel density and both perform very similarly in low light.
    The 5DII produces great images at 6400iso. Easily printable at A3 (especially when using noise ninja).
    However if you under expose the 30D at 3200iso by one stop, shoot RAW and boost it in the converter to equiv iso6400 the noise levels are very very close when viewed at 100pc.
    Because there are less pixels the ultimate max print size will obviously be smaller, but my point is………….
    Inspite of Canons suposed technological improvements to pixel size & micro lens design, the difference in image quallity is negligable.
    I suspect that the crammed sensor of the 7D will be a slight dissapointment.

    However the 5DII is great. It might have all the focus points in the middle of the frame, but for moving subjects (Sport and wildlife) you can use the enhanced centre (7) points, have loads of field view to assist with tracking the subject and crop later to get the best composition.
    For this reason I think the 5DII is a great alrounder. You can shoot 21mp landscapes or portraits, and good low light wildlife and sports with a similar amount of resolution to a 1D3 (when cropped).
    The AF is obviously not quite as good but it is very usable.

    • http://arenacreative.com/ arenacreative

      Thank Ian, great review. Loved your take on it. I know the AF and exposure metering, and many other things will blow my 20D out of the water, whether I choose the 7D or the 5D2… but with the 5D2 at least I won’t have to worry so much about increasing the noise levels tremendously with RAW tweaks, like I will with the 7D.

      I hear that the next Lightroom update is supposed to fix all of the noise issues on the 7D, so we’ll have to wait and see. I can get a new 5d mark 2 for $2300 right now, and a 7D for about $700-800 less. Still, I think I’m leaning towards the 5Dmk2.

  • http://arenacreative.com/ arenacreative

    When you shoot stock photography, the image inspectors are simply looking at 100% view, not downsizing the images or considering the uprezzing of an image in respects to noise. At a pixel peeping level I’m not all that impressed by what I’ve seen thus far in the 7D. Sure, they might look great when downsized to 10-12mp but why buy an 18mp camera just to have to downsize every shot? That’s just a waste, to me – I might as well spend the extra $600 on a 5d2 and be happy with what I see at 100% view.

    I’m just saying; not everyone cares about prints… noise is not really a major issue unless you’re selling stock. Right now with my old 20D I can’t even really shoot over ISO 200, unless I want tons of post work, noise removal and downsizing before I submit my final image to the stock agencies. I’ve used ISO 1600 ISO 3200 images that were grainy as all heck, even scans of film, full page on magazine covers back when I was a full time graphic designer – and the noise wasn’t even there, in print at 8 x 10. Poster/billboard sizes, forget it – you’re not standing 2 inches when viewing those. They look fine no matter what.

    I’m sure the 7D is a great camera, but I’ve opted to pick up a 40D to replace my 20D for now, and then move on to the 5d2. If you care about sports and action, definitely get the 7D for the awesome AF. Or, maybe consider a used 1ds-mkii.

  • http://www.photographytechreviews.com Carl Hahn

    Very good information on comparing the two Canon cameras.

  • http://www.photographytechreviews.com Carl Hahn

    Nice comparison between the 7-D and the 5D2.
    Wait a little longer and a newer and better will come out. One can never get ahead of them..